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What gas station gasoline is cheaper. Furious tears

Alexander Vasilyev, a member of the Committee of the State Duma on Transport, the initiator of the establishment of the Institute of Public Control, answered.

Violations - Massa

Sales of low-quality gasoline in Russia, according to various estimates, range from 30 to 70%. How is it at all possible in the country where so many oil is mined? We still have not learned to do normal gasoline?

Large oil refineries producing more than a million tons of fuel, we have about 30 in our country, and small - about 90. and, alas, the work of these small enterprises is not always controlled properly. So gasoline of unsuitable quality goes on sale. The refueling buy it and "improve" to their own way: dilute, sell 92th under the brand of the 95th. Public control checks showed: violations - mass! But this organization is not at the power to get to all small refills. First, each such check is worth the money that social activists do not always have. Secondly, the owners of many gas stations are trying to repair obstacles to the inspection. It happens to the hands-writer comes, the canister from the controllers can snatch out of the hands. Or, knowing about the coming check, simply closes the refueling.

Having learned about this problem, we started working with public organizations that are engaged in fuel quality. To date, we found violations not only in Moscow, but also in Moscow, Vladimir-Skoy, Pskov regions.

- Punishment - a fine to half a million rubles. Not bad admission to the budget, in my opinion, but, apparently, this amount is not enough to scare unscrupulous manufacturers and tankers. In addition, in my memory, no gas stations have not detected licenses on the fact of violations identified. So that the owners of the refueling fasteners stop to see the people, it is necessary to make changes in legislation. First, the government must keep more serious work with its control bodies. Secondly, it is necessary to introduce higher penalties that would significantly beat the pocket of both unclean producers and refueling owners.

Name - not a guarantee

While the government will think how to change the legislation that we, ordinary people, do? How to understand that at refueling I was not allowed gasoline or his quality leaves much to be desired?

Some car enthusiasts can already be understood that with quality not everything. But not all, of course, such docks. Therefore, keep track of fuel consumption. When the tank has no, the flow rate increases. Even an inexperienced driver will understand. Playing on the same station, always keep checks. If you have a car after another refueling, you can safely show a claim for a car malfunction. As for the underwent, try to always refuel the full tank - it's easier to notice. Obviously, you were deceived if you have a 50 liter tank, and you were poured 60.

And the name of refueling is the guarantor of quality? The promoted brands are better than minor, not known to anyone?

Do not really trust anyone. I will give you a specific example. During the expedition from Vladivostok to Crimea, I asked the Council from local roads about where it was better to refuel. In some regions, I strongly recommended not to deal with large-famous K-Weps. According to local, many brand gas stations are not at all refueling this brand and sell B-Ensin a completely different brand.

Why stopped filling gasoline to the full tank and have the right to leave the credit card in the "hostages"? Correspondents Site tried to figure out the situation

Moscow. September 15th. Website - Most recently, this formula worked easily and just on any gas station of Moscow and the Moscow region. You say "to full, please", stretch out cash or credit card. And everything, the case is done. Money removed, gasoline is filled and you can go further, without thinking about anything. Some time ago, the system began to climb. At the gas stations began to appear written from the hands and printed on the ads on the sheets of A4 "to the full do not refuel!", And the cashiers began to ask for cash even if you were going to pay a credit card refueling.

Dialogue on the gas station "Rosneft" No. 74, Novorizhskaya route, August 2010, late night, was able:

- To full, please.

- Until full we no longer refuel.

- Why?

- Order of management. Name the amount you want to refue?

- One thousand.

- Are you sure that a thousand will fit?

"Mmm ... Yes (at this moment you start convulsively computing: it seems that the full tank is about one and a half thousand, there seems to be more than a quarter, yes, a thousand will fit).

- (In response to the outstretched credit card) do you definitely have money?

- If your credit card does not work, can you make a thousand cash?

- Yes, probably (you begin to remember whether you have cash. The turn behind his back swells - the dacities are rushing to Moscow).

- Filling. But are you sure that you have money on the map?

With similar situations, the site correspondents were subsequently encountered and not two. On the gas station "Lukoil" and "Rosneft" in Moscow and the Moscow region, we were completely refused to refuel to the full tank, and also required to guarantee the cash in the case of a credit card payment. It happened hardly to the absurd. At the LUKOIL refueling at the entrance to the Domodedovo airport, they urged to make sure that there were cash in the wallet. Only after convincing swelling by the thousands of Coupling, gasoline went. We also encountered a similar situation at the refueling "Rosneft" on the road from a highway street to Volgograd Prospect in Moscow. On the same gas station in New Riga, the cashier explained that if the credit card "did not pass," and we would have had no cash, I would have to leave a card and checks in a deposit. And go for the required amount. She pulled out from somewhere from under the box office a stack of four or five credit cards and showed us: "You see, we are completely and next is happening" (we note that from the point of view of the law, you have no right to withdraw your credit card).

The mysterious "order of the company" does not fill up to complete and receive credits only with a guarantee of cash hanging in the air, but nowhere has not acquired material traits. The tellers were comforting us, went towards meeting, once even straightened the usual - to full and credit card. However, clarifications, what happens at the Moscow gas stations, I wanted. Initially, we went along the path of a simple citizen - called the "hotline" Rosneft "and asked the essence of the notorious order. However, the girl operator could not help us, though noticed that they had no right to withdraw a credit card at the right of refueling. A comprehensive explanation has already provided the company themselves. As it turned out, yes, we live according to the new rules. Should we - as usual - no one said about it.

As explained to Interfax in the press service of LUKOIL-Centnefteprodukt, according to the existing system of settlement system at the Company's gas stations, the operator does not have the right to release fuel without prior payment. The scheme when the client first refills, and then pay the card, called "post-payment". In connection with frequent cases, when customers left without paying the resulting fuel, the post-payment system on the LUKOIL gas station was canceled. Problems also arose when after refueling the car it turned out that there was not enough funds on the card to pay for fuel or there was a complexity of a technical nature, for example, a lack of communication with the bank.

The company pointed out that if the client certainly wants to pour a full tank on a map, and not some specific number of liters, then there is a single option. Thus, the buyer says the "Full Tank" operator and gives the card, the operator writes off the funds from the card, which should be enough to refuel the car, for example, 3 thousand rubles, and includes a TRK. After the car owner flooded the full tank, the operator fully returns a written off amount to the card, the same 3 thousand rubles, and writes from the card to the means once again, but already on the specific number of liters, which showed the TRK counter. Thus, the buyer should receive three checks: the first to write off 3 thousand rubles., The second - to the refund of these funds and the third - to write off the exact amount of the number of liters received. At the same time, the originally written off funds (3 thousand rubles) will be returned to the owner on the map, according to the conditions of the buyer's contract with the Issue Bank of the Card, and this can last up to 45 days. It turns out that when refueling until the full tank on the card, the service time is not only increases, but also a certain amount is frozen on the buyer's card account. It is the complexity of the described procedure that determines the relationship of operators to "refueling on the map to the full tank". "The question is very relevant, and now we consider the possibility of returning to the post-payment system on some gas stations," said LUKOIL-Centnefteprodukt. Representatives of LUKOIL also added that there are no documents in the company, on the basis of which the client may refuse to refuel the vehicle in the event of non-submitted cash with intention to pay a bank card.

The press service of Rosneft confirmed that they are faced with similar situations (lack of funds on customer cards or technical problems with communication during card processing). As a result, situations may arise when the operator will have to refund the funds for selling fuel from its own pocket. The company added that in the event of a client's refusal to present the amount allegedly to write off from the card, it is unlikely to receive a refusal to maintain, most likely, it will be offered to authorize the card for a certain amount according to the method described above - in three receptions. At the same time, "Rosneft" noted that in case of removal of cards in a deposit to compensation for cash for sold fuel, it is necessary to report this incident on the telephone hotline.

As a decent man, I adore cars, and it does not live calmly, I decided to check the quality of gasoline at the Moscow gas stations. Rosneft, LUKOIL, Gazprom, BP and others tremble!

In the auto shops for sale various test strips to test the quality of gasoline. But it is clear that they cannot give full data of gasoline composition and determine its compliance with all standards. Such a test did not do so long ago macos. . The experiment seemed interesting to me, but I decided to act for sure and went to the real testing laboratory of fuel and lubricants.

The first surprise was the search for a laboratory that can test gasoline. It turned out that there are not many such in Moscow. I only arrived only two (Shell and Oil Magistral) Suitable laboratories, which can be given gasoline to an individual analysis. Other laboratories or analyze oils, or are not close, or the analysis is unnecessarily expensive, or with individuals cooperation is problematic. By the way, maybe someone knows why such laboratories do not like individuals?

The choice fell on the oil process. In fact, chose them because of the price (pleasure it was not the cheapest), and they are close enough from Moscow (Vnukovo).

Having drove on the Moscow Ring Road from Yaroslavl to Kiev Highway I drove to the following refueling: Rosneft, LUKOIL, BP, Oil Migra, Gazpromneft. Poured gasoline into plastic canisters, specially intended for gasoline. For testing, standard 95Y gasoline was taken.

I spread the checks on gasoline for comparison - (price per liter / rubles): Oilmagistral - 33.20, Gazpromneft - 34.05, Rosneft - 34.10, LUKOIL - 34.52, BP - 34.59. At BP could not resist, bought mineralca-). The main question is whether the cheaper gasoline is different and is different than the cars useful to feed and is there any difference than feeding?

So that everything was most independently, passed the samples of gasoline anonymously - under the numbers. Although, running forward, I will say that after the analysis we talked with a person who works there and looking at the composition, he himself compared and called the brands of three probes. At that moment, this respect for a person knows the market so well and knows the compositions and differences between gasoline of different brands.

The laboratory is equipped with the latest technology. I would not call her big, but the equipment amazes. The following fuel parameters were analyzed: octane number, fractional composition, content of sulfur and aromatic compounds. No matter how cool, but these data strips for gasoline test can not reveal. And good gasoline is not only excellent running and accelerating characteristics of the car, but also the key to its uninterrupted work and serviceability. I think that one who stands on guarantees and travels on something, many times heard from the masters sighs about dirty candles and poor gasoline.

Let us dwell on several devices in more detail. Below IIT 85m. The device is made in Russia at the Savelovsky Machine-Building Plant. This installation determine the octane number. The device imitates the operation of the engine using only one cylinder, then the installation compares the standard with the gasoline entered.

With octane number, all marks turned out to be order. All within the normal range.
Test further. The sulfur content in gasoline helps to determine the spectrometer. The active sulfur compounds contained in gasolines cause severe corrosion of the fuel system and transport tanks. Inactive sulfur compounds to corrosion do not lead, but the gases formed during their combustion cause a quick abrasive wear of engine parts, reduce power and worsen the ecological situation.

And this device for determining the chemical station. For a few seconds it gives a detailed analysis of the composition.

The apparatus defining the fractional composition of gasoline.

Apparatus for determining the density of petroleum products

Apparatus for determining the pressure of saturated vapor

Equipment for the analysis of diesel fuel is significantly different. But I had no diesel fuel with me, so exactly how the device works, I could not see, but I managed to capture:

Apparatus for determining actual resins

But the most important thing is the final results, it was behind them I came to the laboratory. In fact, the results were unexpected. I was sure that at least half of the stamps would be unsuitable, but ... almost all gasoline was within the framework of standards, the only thing, LUKOIL "failed".

Gasoline LUKOIL AI-95 does not comply with GOST R 51866-2002 for a number of indicators of the fractional composition. The first inconsistency: the end of the boiling (this indicator should not be higher than 210c, it is 215.7 s). Consequences: increased fuel consumption and carography in the engine cylinder combustion chamber. The second inconsistency: in the proportion of aromatic hydrocarbons. Consequences: Nagar on candles when passing as follows. All this can be seen in the test protocol. That is, this gasoline will not only increase fuel consumption, but also the engine wear will increase significantly.

The indicators of the fractional composition and the correspondence of these parameters of the norm are one of the main, since they can determine the speed of the engine warming, its injectivity, launchers, uniformity of the engine at idle. To decrypt all the indicators, you can use this "dictionaries".

According to the sulfur content, by the way, Gazprom, but according to this indicator, all within the limits of the norm in all brands.
Lukoil and Gazprom turned out to be the lowest performance in the eyes (octane number than it is higher, the better gasoline resists detonation) - 95.4, BP is slightly higher - 95.5, but still not a maximum, although I repeat that everything in The limits of the norm, but without much efforts.

Other protocols can see here

Oil groove:

Rosneft:

In general, I am surprised, still expected more violations -) perhaps the fact is that gasoline was taken in Moscow, we apparently undergo permanent checks. It would be interesting if someone living in the region would take the relay and conducted similar analyzes.

The question in the studio is whether it is worth overpaying for the brand, if, according to the total, the quality of everyone is the same, and some not cheap stamps are still a little shy away? Did you personally have for poor-quality gasoline? Have you tried to somehow prove to the manufacturer of his guilt? Did you add to such laboratories? And, in fact, than guiding when choosing a refueling, because, as it turned out, the high price is not always a security deposit ...

In Russian gas stations, a massive disadvantage of fuel was revealed: 76% of refueling in the country were caught. The authors of the study note that due to the inspiring the consumer sometimes buys fuel at an overestimated price, which also does not meet the standards. At the same time, the least is deceived on gas stations, which sell fuel from large oil companies. The reason for the massive insurgency, experts call the economic situation in a country that forces small refueling to deceive consumers.

The federation of car owners of Russia (headlights) conducted a study, the results of which showed how the percentage of gas stations are deceived by consumers without fueling. The monitoring of the AI-92 and AI-95 was conducted at 34 gas stations in 13 subjects of Russia. During the monitoring, five integrated oil companies (WINK), 25 federal and regional networks and eight small and private gas stations were checked. For the research of the headlight, developed a method for determining the non-fuel for gas station in the "secret buyer" mode, which allows you to determine the actual amount of fuel lowered into the car tank, as well as carry out fuel selection to test the quality for compliance with the technical regulations of the Customs Union (Tr Ts).

"According to our method, the discrepancy of more than one percent was taken for noting, between the paid and actually obtained fuel. As a result, it was not revealed by 76% of the gas station, "the headlights are reported.

It is noted that there is no discoloration among the vinks (they include Rosneft, LUKOIL, Surgutneftegaz, Gazpromneft, Tatneft, "Slavneft", "Bashneft", "RussNeft") amounted to 20%, one of five ( Removal of 1.63% - at the level of error), among federal and large regional networks was revealed in 81% of cases (the average nothing 4.97%, the maximum 19.03%).

Wasteing among the petoxium and private gas stations amounted to 100% (the average nothing 5.66%, the maximum 8.03%). The average nothing on the sample was 5.05%, which means it can actually be adding to the price of a liter.

As noted in the headlights, discolive fuel is not only a deception of the consumer, but also an element of unscrupulous competition.

Using the discharge, unscrupulous market participants, actually sell fuel at a higher market price, which has not yet complied with the requirements of TP CU.

For example, a gas station in the Krasnodar Territory implemented AI-95 to 44.70 rubles per liter, the discharal was 19.03% and actually the consumer acquired fuel for 55.21 rubles per liter.

In the Moscow region, on the same principle, the consumer overpayed more than four rubles per liter. The gas station realized fuel for 39.90 rubles per liter, the discharge was 12.8% and actually the consumer paid 44 rubles per liter.

Headlights noted that economic reasons may be caused.

"If the wholesale price for gasoline is higher than retail, it will inevitably lead to a decrease in high-quality and quantitative indicators of the fuel released on gas stake, and therefore, we all have a risk not only to fuel the fuel of questionable quality, but also to pay" for the air, " Message.

"The usual consumer, unfortunately, now can not affect this situation," said Gazeta.Ru head of the head of Sergey Khanaev. - Prove something in place, even if the fact is not visible, it will not work, and the Council to pour 10 or 20 liters on dubious refills, as Pyotr Schukumatov advised, in my opinion it is unlikely to help. This will definitely not be a guarantee from being noticeable.

It is possible to correct the situation by developing a methodology for determining the amount of fuel in the procurement mode by the secret buyer and the further definition of accurate quantitative indicators. The method should be developed by the state, but the control of the work of the gas station should be state-public "

"It is really complete disgrace. Once there are such precedents, you need to understand. Because, of course, these are not happening only at the very bottom, at the level of filling stations themselves. Our state corporations should be entrusted to this issue and attract security service, "the Anan RT said.

The first vice-president of the Russian Fuel Union (RTS), President of NP "Oil Club of St. Petersburg" Oleg Ashtymin commented on the news of the massive mislimination of fuel at the Russian gas stations.

"These are special cases, and not the trend of today's retail market of petroleum products. Unfortunately, what revealed headlights takes place. And this is the legacy of us from the Soviet Union.
The owner of the gas station is not interested in noting the car owner. This happens more often at the level of the operator, the wizard. I know the situation from the inside. I know how the owners of companies pay great attention to this, the security services are engaged. But where there is an opportunity to take something somewhere, "our" people do it.
If you arrive at this station with a canister of gasoline and foul into it, you will see, add you or not. This is the embezzlement that is difficult to accumulate. And this should be engaged in the police. But in this case, it is necessary to immediately make a claim to the station operator in order for them to check the fuel dispenser (TRC) to feed to designate the moment that you see that you do not attach. And do not be afraid to turn to the management of the company, "said Ashinhmin.
"The incident is associated with the fact that the unscrupulous owners of petrol stations and employees who do not look, obviously use a wide variety of techniques and deceive motorists.
First of all, it is necessary to oblige the owners of the refueling in this matter, for example, by control purchases. Identify such cases and attract administrative and serious liability. In some cases, maybe even to criminal, if we are talking about the systematic deception of the consumer, "said Majorov RT.

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