Both cars are actively sold on the domestic market and assembled at Russian factories. They belong to the same class and are approximately the same in price, so the choice between them is not easy. We bring to your attention a visual overview of the main characteristics to make the advantages and disadvantages of the mentioned machines more obvious.

Technical features of the models

In order not to get confused in assemblies and modifications, we will compare both cars with a sedan-type body.

The following can be said about Renault Logan:

• five-seater car;
• gasoline engine with a capacity of 1.6 liters. and a capacity of 90 liters. from.;
• front-wheel drive, five-speed manual transmission, four-speed automatic;
• dimensions: 4250x1534 mm. (length and height);
• ground clearance: 155 mm.

Chevrolet Lacetti has almost the same set:

• five seats;
• engine with a capacity of 1.6 liters. and a capacity of 109 liters. from.;
• front-wheel drive and a mechanical five-speed gearbox, as well as an automatic four-speed;
• dimensions 4580x1460 mm. (length and height);
• ground clearance of 145 mm.

At first glance, the difference is not very noticeable, and indeed, many buyers choose Renault Logan or its rival Chevrolet Lacetti, guided solely by visual sensations. Let's take a closer look at their design.

Appearance

Renault Logan design is implemented under the slogan: Simplicity and accuracy. There is nothing remarkable in the shape of the headlights and the body, but there is a definite plus in this - you will not spend a lot of money when repairing and replacing some elements.

The headlights are created without a hint of the predation inherent in more expensive cars, fog lights are located right below them. The hood and have smooth, unobtrusive curves. The radiator grill and the air duct are in tune with each other. The door handle insert is not very ergonomic - to open the door the first time, you need to get used to it.

The rear bumper is not as smooth as we would like, but the designers have added something similar to a spoiler to make the step formed by the boot lid justify.

Compared to the Renault Chevrolet Lacetti, it seems a little more cumbersome due to the visual shift in mass to the rear bumper. It looks like a typical one, in which it is convenient to transport children and go shopping.

The Italian designers, who were invited to develop the design, came up with such a versatile look that it is not obsolete after years, but also does not differ in sophistication. The headlights and fog lights are quite large, and the radiator grille, on the contrary, is almost absent. The designers did not want to somehow beat the air duct and simply drowned it under the bumper.

Salon and trunk

The inside of the Chevrolet Lacetti is as simple and neat as the outside. The salon is upholstered in a material of gray and light gray colors with narrow plastic inserts under a tree. The multimedia system has no screen, the steering wheel is normal, but comfortable, the speedometer is large enough. All important levers and buttons are placed very well: it is easy to adjust the air conditioner, the position of the seats, and operate the radio.

The salon is able to comfortably accommodate only four adults, five of them will be cramped. The backrest folds down in the back, expanding the trunk space from 405 liters. up to 1225 l.

Renault Logan has a spacious interior in black and gray tones, a simple steering wheel, air conditioning. For the presence of a multimedia system and the ability to customize the chair, you need to pay separately.

The trunk is very spacious - 510 liters, but you can't free up extra space with the rear seat, as is the case with the Chevrolet. But Renault can easily fit five adults.

Engines and transmissions

At different times, the following engines were installed on Lacetti:

• volume of 1, 4 liters. and a capacity of 95 liters. from.;
• volume of 1.6 liters. and a capacity of 109 liters. from.;
• volume of 1.8 liters. and a capacity of 121 liters. from.

The second option is in the greatest demand: a four-cylinder naturally aspirated 1.6-liter engine, quite powerful and durable. The gearbox is available both in a mechanical five-speed version and in an automatic four-speed one.

As for Logan, in Russia it is distributed with three types of engines:

• volume of 1.4 liters. and a capacity of 75 liters. from.;
• volume of 1.6 liters. and a capacity of 84 liters. from.;
• 16-valve with a volume of 1.6 liters. 102 l. from.

The latter is the most preferable for comfortable travel. The most common Logan is with a manual five-speed gearbox, but there is also an automatic four-speed gearbox.

Considering these parameters of a Logan or Lacetti, it is difficult to say which is better: as you can see, the engines and transmissions are very similar.

Dynamics and fuel consumption

Renault Logan picks up speed of 100 km / h in 10.5 seconds, which is expected for. Every 100 km. the way he spends about 10 liters. gasoline.

Chevrolet Lacetti accelerates in 10.7-11.5 seconds and consumes about 8.1 liters. fuel - the indicator is slightly better than that of Logan.

Controllability and security

EuroNCAP recognized Renault Logan as quite reliable. Crash tests showed the following:

1. Despite the fact that there is only one airbag (for the driver) in the basic configuration, the chance of a passenger being injured is small even in a frontal impact.
2. With a strong front impact, the driver's and passenger's legs are practically not injured.
3. There is a risk of head injuries due to the unpretentious airbag and soft headrest of the chair.
4. In a side impact, the driver's door can jam, but at the same time it is weakly susceptible to deformation and is able to protect the person inside.

As for the manageability of Logan, then:

1. The suspension is soft for high speed and cornering maneuvers, but very reliable and virtually indestructible.
2. There is no directional stability.
3. Poor aerodynamics.

Chevrolet lacetti was tested for reliability by the American Institute IIHS. The following is clear from the crash tests:

1. Despite the presence of two (and in some assemblies even four) airbags, the driver and passengers can get injuries incompatible with life.
2. In a frontal impact, the body is deformed and injures the legs of the driver, as well as the passenger sitting in front.
3. Side airbags do not always open.
4. By inertia, the head of a person tilts back, and the vertebrae may suffer due to loose fixation by the pillow.

The Lacetti's handling suffers from high ground clearance, and many resort to tuning to ride in comfort. Also, you often have to steer so that the car does not get carried away.

Service cost

If we compare Logan and Lacetti, then the service of the first will cost more:

• TO15 - about 6500 rubles;
• TO30 - about 7300 rubles;
• TO45 - about 6400 rubles;
• TO60 with checking, repairing or replacing levers, suspensions, belts, rollers, brake pads - 22,000 rubles.

THAT Lacetti costs less:

• TO15 - about 7000 rubles;
• TO30 - 9000 rubles;
• TO45 and subsequent - 11,000 rubles.

Price for all configurations

The cost of Renault Logan is 399-500 thousand rubles, and Chevrolet Lacetti - 250-400 thousand rubles.

Which car to give preference

Of course, the consumer decides what to choose from the two presented cars. As you can see, the difference between them is small, but it is safer and better prepared for accidents on the road, and Chevrolet has an adequate price for maintenance and.

Since Lacetti has been out of production for a long time, a comparison will be presented between Chevrolet's Lacetti and the second generation Renault Megane.

Both cars are targeted at a wide range of consumers, and. Cars are offered in three main body versions. It is a hatchback, sedan and station wagon.

In technical terms, there is no fundamental difference between cars. But the cars differ among themselves in size, luggage compartment volume and comfort level for rear passengers. Plus, for quite natural reasons, changes are made to the exterior of the rear.

Depending on the body version, the Megane and Lacetti can be excellent choices as a low-cost used family car, a car for the novice driver, younger and older owners.

But, in order to choose between these two cars, you need to compare them according to the key and most significant characteristics for the consumer. In addition to the exterior, interior and luggage compartment, issues of technical equipment, operational cost and configuration will be considered separately.

Features of cars

Before making a comparison, you need to tell some details about the cars in question from the American and French brands.

The sedan first appeared in the Chevrolet Lacetti lineup, and then the hatchback and station wagon debuted. Moreover, all the presentations were held in different car dealerships from 2002 to 2004. The sedan was unveiled in Seoul as the successor to the once popular Daewoo Nubira. In Europe, Lacetti began to be sold in 2003, and the novelty reached Russia by 2004. Already in 2009, Lacetti was discontinued, since the heir appeared in the person of the Chevrolet Cruze. Although Lacetti was produced in Russia until 2012, and in Uzbekistan, the car lasted on the conveyor until 2014.

Chevrolet Lacetti is based on the J200 platform. The car received a fully independent suspension. McPherson struts were placed in front, and a multi-link design settled in the back. Another attraction is the fact that all the brakes are disc, and in front they are ventilated.

Renault Megane 2nd generation was produced from 2002 to 2008. The machine is based on a front-wheel drive platform, has an independent front suspension and a semi-independent rear. If we compare the Renault Megane of the second generation Chevrolet Lacetti, then it is worth focusing on the version from 2006. It was in 2006 that Renault carried out a large-scale modernization of the car. The revision has a positive effect on safety, the interior and appearance have changed slightly. Technical characteristics were also touched upon, the list of offered equipment was significantly expanded.

Both cars look decent and deservedly in demand in the secondary market. But now we need to compare them in more detail.

Appearance

The choice between Chevrolet Lacetti or Renault Megane 2 largely depends on what you want to get and for what purposes you purchase a vehicle from the secondary market.

The front of the Megane looks pretty good and relatively fresh considering the fact that the model has been out of production for a long time. Moreover, the hatchback attracts Russian buyers most of all. The sedan is in second place in popularity, and the greatest demand is observed for the station wagon. A convertible is not worth taking into account at all, although this version of the Megane was available.

Lacetti's appearance is simple, but at the same time laconic, oriented towards European consumers. Despite the participation of Italian designers in the development of the Lacetti's appearance, no solutions typical for cars from Italy were used here. It is difficult to find fault, because Lacetti gets beautiful and neat lines, nice optics, slightly swollen wheel arches, wide glazing. Lacetti looks good in all body versions, including the station wagon. But the van in the face of Megane 2 looks too heavy.

If we talk about appearance, then we need to touch upon the overall dimensions.

Let's start with the Chevrolet Lacetti. The sedan body has the following parameters:

• length 4515 mm .;
• width 1725 mm .;
• height 1445 mm .;
• wheelbase 2600 mm.;
• ground clearance 162 mm.

If you take a hatchback from Chevrolet, get the following numbers:

• length 4295 mm .;
• height 1445 mm .;
• width 1725 mm .;
• wheelbase 2600 mm.;
• clearance 162 mm.

And the wagon is like this:

• length 4580 mm .;
• height 1460 mm .;
• width 1725 mm .;
• wheelbase 2600 mm.;
• ground clearance 162 mm.

The French hatchback is like this:

• length 4210 mm .;
• height 1455 mm .;
• width 1775 mm .;
• wheelbase 2625 mm.

Lacetti perfectly suits the role of an inexpensive family car with a spacious interior, good luggage compartment, solid appearance and good filling in the basic configuration. About the same thing can be said about the Renault Megane. But the second generation Megane offers higher fuel consumption and higher repair and maintenance costs than the competition.

More and more offers are coming to the Russian market of budget cars. It becomes difficult for a future driver to make a choice, because there are so many options around, and the price is about the same. A striking example is the Chevrolet Lacetti and Renault Logan, which are popular with Russian motorists. A comparative review will help determine the readers planning a purchase.

Dimensions in millimeters

Design and interior

The Lacetti is offered in the body of a hatchback, sedan, station wagon, and Logan is only a sedan, so the review is relevant to those who are interested in sedans. In terms of design, none of the cars can boast sophistication - we are faced with ordinary but stylish cars. Perhaps someone will see a minus in such "dullness", but this is a convenient move of the manufacturer - the car is not tied to a specific audience. It is impossible to say about the appearance whether it is successful or not, each buyer decides independently. Nevertheless, both cars have a modern body shape, decorated with pleasant optics.

Inside, both models have a common but functional layout. Logan's dashboard does not stand out, but all indicators are clearly visible due to clear backlighting, similar to the Lacetti. The driver's seat in both models is adjustable in the main directions. The dashboard of each applicant is distinguished by an attractive appearance and verified ergonomics. Budget employees have a minimum set of controls: a climate control unit and a standard radio.

Cars have approximately the same dimensions, respectively, the free space is the same, but Chevrolet has more of it. For example, three men will sit comfortably on the back sofa of the Lacetti, two will fit in the Logan.

Chevrolet captivates with the presence of a power steering wheel in every configuration. Logan has a hydraulic booster only in expensive trim levels.

Technical part

Let's start with Renault. The base version is equipped with a 1.4-liter unit with a capacity of 75 horses, already at idle speed it briskly pulls the car. Such a motor is enough for those who are going to ride alone. But if the plans include frequent voyages, then it is worth moving to the 1.6-liter version with a capacity of 102 liters. from. The dynamics will not take off, but there will be a significant headroom for thrust. Powerplant Logan works with 5MKPP.

Dynamic characteristics

The Lacetti also has a 1.4-liter gasoline engine with a capacity of 95 hp as the base unit. The motor works in tandem with the "mechanics" in five steps. The second option is a 1.6-liter petrol unit with 109 horsepower. It works both with mechanics and with a 4-speed automatic. The top option is an aspirated 1.8 liters with a capacity of 121 power. The same transmission types are available for it.

Fuel consumption, l / 100 km

Comparison of complete sets

Which car is better, everyone decides for himself, and we will go over the complete sets. The basic configuration of the Logan is called "Authentique" and only has a 1.4-liter engine. You should not expect increased comfort, only an airbag is waiting for you. The richer version is called "Expression" - there is a central locking and power steering. A similar version with a 1.6-liter engine comes with an electronic glass drive.

Expensive configurations come with a 1.6-liter engine. One of them is Privelege. The package includes an on-board computer, a driver's seat lift, fog lights, head restraints for the rear row, remote control of the central locking system, 15-inch wheels. The top-of-the-line Storia, in addition to the above, includes heating and electric drive of outside mirrors, heated front seats.

Is the Lacetti better off? The basic version is equipped with two airbags, central locking, ABS, power steering. In more expensive configurations, leather trim is added to the steering wheel and gearshift lever, electric drives for outside mirrors, heated glass, and a comfortable armrest. In addition to the presence of a power steering, there are no special differences between filling cars - choosing the best one is problematic.

Conclusion

Logan has become an excellent alternative to domestic cars. After all, the price for it starts from 10 thousand dollars. Although the car is not endowed with an interesting appearance, it has a more significant plus - a suspension adapted to our conditions, the secret of Renault's popularity in the CIS countries. If you are not particularly interested in looks, then Logan is the right choice. His opponent cannot boast of a comfortable ride on bumpy roads.

Many buyers are repelled by the "poor" interior filling. Yes, in the basic configuration, everything really looks sad. But with the purchase of "Expression" you will receive all the necessary equipment, including an air conditioner, so it is worth spending money on a more expensive package.

Lacetti definitely has character. The advantage of the car is the presence of two modifications. The sedan and 5-door hatch differ not only in size, but also in design. A feature of the sedan is angularity. Many car enthusiasts point out that the updated Lacetti design has become more modern. As for the hatch, its appearance is designed in a youthful direction. Where does this difference come from? The answer is simple - different ateliers were engaged in design development. The work on the sedan was taken over by the team from Pinifarina, while the hatch was taken over by ItalDesign. The peculiarity of the car is a quiet ride, since the handling is not the best here.

What characteristics should you rely on when choosing an inexpensive used car? First of all, this is price, practicality, reliability and liquidity. These are the heroes of this review, cars: Chevrolet Lacetti and Renault Logan. Both models belong to the economy class and have proven themselves well in our country.

Most owners leave only positive reviews, but not without reasonable criticism.

The beginning of production of the model in 2004. Has established itself as a very reliable, "indestructible" car. For most owners, the first non-critical breakdowns begin only after one hundred thousand kilometers, and many overcome the milestone without problems 200 thousand km, and only after this mark they encounter any interference with the car. Unfortunately, apart from the sedan body, Renault Logan cannot offer anything else, although the station wagon body would come in handy for such a practical car.

Engines: 8-valve 1.4 and 1.6 liters, 16-valve 1.6 liters (K4M), cars with this engine are the most preferable. In other countries, the Logan is also equipped with a 1.5-liter diesel engine and a 1.0-liter engine that runs on both gasoline and ethyl alcohol, and the engine power and dynamics are higher on alcohol than on gasoline.

Motors are structurally simple and reliable, undemanding to fuel quality. The timing belt drive, when broken, the valves bend on all Renault Logan engines. On motors 1.4 (8 cl.) and 1.6 (8 cl.) there are no hydraulic lifters, which requires valve adjustment (approximately every 30,000 km). On the K4M 1.6 engine (16 cl) hydraulic lifters are installed, valve adjustment is not required.

Gearboxes are installed: mechanical 5-speed, less often automatic 4-speed. Both boxes are quite reliable, oil is filled for the entire service life, although it is still recommended to change it, every 60,000 km.

The front suspension is made according to the type MacPherson, rear, semi-independent beam. Overall very reliable, easy to care for 100 and more thousand km... First of all, they will require replacement, thrust bearings, rear shock absorbers. Spare parts are inexpensive and affordable, repairs do not cause any difficulties and can be done completely by yourself in the garage.

For the cheapness and simplicity of the cabin, as well as for the lack of sound insulation, only the lazy did not reproach the Renault Logan. This is the main and very big minus of the model, here the company has saved both on the quality of materials and on ergonomics in general.

Pros and cons:

• pros: price, "indestructible" suspension, reliability, engine life, galvanized body, high ground clearance, good cross-country ability, price and availability of spare parts.
• Minuses: lack of comfort, low noise insulation, cheap plastic, weak stove and air conditioning, poor dynamics, high fuel consumption of 8-valve engines.

Start of production 2002, in South Korean GM. In Russia, she met in Kaliningrad. A budget car of class "C", which has proven itself well in our country. Produced in sedan, hatchback, station wagon bodies. The body color cannot be called bad, but thanks to the very thin metal, regular chips and dents cannot be avoided, and rusting sills and rear arches are a typical problem for GM cars, but it does not appear on all copies and on cars of about 10 years and older.

Lacetti was equipped with 3 motors, volume 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 liters... All engines are reliable enough, of the 4th ecological class, they are powered by 95th gasoline, but they can easily digest 92. The main problems of these engines are the leakage of the valve cover gasket, the formation of carbon deposits on the valves, because of which the engine starts to work intermittently, is treated disabling the EGR valve and flashing the ECU.

Gearboxes were installed: 5-speed mechanics and 4-speed automatic. These units are time-tested and have proven to be reliable. The checkpoint does not require any maintenance, oil is filled for the entire service life, but domestic "servicemen" still recommend changing it every 60,000 km.

The front and rear suspension are independent, which has a good effect on the vehicle's handling and comfort. Average life of suspension elements 100 thousand kmwhich is a good indicator on our roads.

The interior is simple but pleasant, with comfortable seats to accommodate long journeys thanks to the long cushion. Finishing materials, although not expensive, are well fitted and do not cause unpleasant emotions. The salon is spacious enough with good sound insulation for its class, the interior is simple, without any design solutions, which is inherent in all economy class cars.

Pros and cons:

• pros: low price, reliable engine, strong and comfortable suspension, roomy interior, comfortable seats, warm, galvanized body.
• Minuses: thin body iron, weak electrical wiring, low quality interior plastic, poor noise insulation, ground clearance for our roads.

Outcome

Choosing between Renault Logan and Chevrolet Lacetti models, the price of which on the market, between models of one year, averages 50 thousand rubles, you need to take into account that both cars belong to economy class, but Lacetti is class "C", and Logan is a class lower - "IN".

Comparing the characteristics, for this small difference you can buy:

1. The car is of a higher class.
2. The choice of a body to suit your needs and to your liking.
3. Independent suspension, which significantly affects the car's handling.
4. Comfortable and warm interior.
5. More powerful engine with equal displacement.

These are the indicators that Renault Logan cannot boast of, and if you start from them, then Lacetti certainly wins here, but if, not relying on the above, look for the cheapest and most reliable option that, without causing the hassle of repairs, will drive and to carry, in this respect Logan will give odds to the vast majority of brands on the Russian market. In any case, the choice always remains with the end consumer.

Lancer or WRX, Astra or Golf, CHR or Juke? Questions to which there is no correct answer. You have to choose your wallet. Both Lacetti and Logan were so popular that they became symbols of the class of high-quality budget cars. By 2018, the Lacetti has already been removed from the assembly line, and Logan has gone through more than one restyling, but there are still hundreds of offers on the used market.

Comparison of Lacetti and Logan

Lacetti in the secondary market is offered from 150,000 rubles. for cars with mileage of 150,000+ km. Logan is sold from 120,000 rubles. for a mileage of 200,000+ km. The difference is not that great. It was the same minimum in the showrooms when both cars were sold new.

The Lacetti is slightly longer than Logan, but this will only be noticeable if you leave the car in a super-dense and crowded parking lot in the very center of the city among the Smart and Micra.

In the basic configuration, the Lacetti has more horsepower: 95 versus 75 for Logan. This difference is not so significant, since both cars cannot boast of crazy acceleration dynamics. They do not participate in drag racing, and even Renault has enough strength to move around the city.

Both cars were assembled in Russia, so there is no need to talk about French or American quality.

The fuel consumption of both cars is about the same: 9-11 liters per 100 km, but the Lacetti will have to go to the gas station a little less often: the fuel tank volume of the Chevrolet is 10 liters more than that of Renault (60 liters versus 50 liters, respectively).

Logan wins in ground clearance, bypassing the Lacetti by as much as 5 mm (155 mm versus 150 mm).

Judging by the reviews about the car, most people choose the Chevrolet Lacetti for its appearance and greater comfort for passengers. But the endurance of the Renault Logan chassis is legendary, and it appears in car services less often than Chevrolet.

Pros and cons of Chevrolet Lacetti

Most buyers think the Lacetti looks more attractive than Logan. Lacetti's design turned out to be a little more durable, and it still looks decent. In contrast to the external appearance of Logan, which immediately from the assembly line was already a little outdated. However, this is a matter of taste.

The main target audience of Chevrolet Lacetti is those who change from Priora, Granta and Kalina. They are in for a real ecstasy, because the Chevrolet seems to be considered a foreign car (in fact, not), but spare parts cost the same as for the Zhiguli. Moreover, they are produced in the same factory.

The Lacetti was not loved for its poor sound insulation, however, like all other budget models in our market. Many owners have worked on this ailment on their own, because the sound from under the wheel arches and the whistle of the engine is not the accompaniment to which you want to ride. But, if the "Shumka" model you have chosen is factory-installed, think about it and set aside money to fix it.

Chassis Lacetti is much inferior to Logan. The rear suspension does not consist of a beam, which would be less interesting to drive, but more reliable and cheaper, but of levers. The front suspension is stiff, elastic, almost does not break through the holes. But at the same time, at speed in corners, it gives out terrible rolls. It is not difficult to shake the suspension on the Lacetti, especially for those who do not delicately go around all the irregularities of the road. The fastest in the chassis is to change the shock absorbers and stabilizer struts. However, this is not surprising for Russian roads.

Changing the valve cover filter has to be done so often that you can fit this service into a regular maintenance. According to the owner's reviews, this problem can overtake at any time: from 2,000 km, and from 20,000 km.

Another drawback of the model is the thin metal, which crumples even from strong finger pressure.

Pros and cons of Renault Logan

The main thing to know about Logan is that it is a workhorse with a hard-to-kill suspension. That is, the suspension is better tuned only in domestic Zhiguli. Broken rails, rutting, holes, open hatches, a primer, a sandy "washboard" - on Logan, all these obstacles can be overcome on the move.

A significant drawback is a weak paintwork. Therefore, when choosing a car in the secondary market, do not be very fierce if you find a lot of painted over chips in the hood area: maybe the previous owner was just trying to keep an eye on the appearance of the car.

Another disadvantage is the high cost of spare parts. Compared to the Lacetti, and in general - transcendental.

All the owners of the Logans, who are familiar to us, unanimously shout their hatred of short programs. This is a moot point. On the one hand: all the time "pulling" the lever and changing gears without stopping, especially in the city - annoying and at the same time grows biceps on the right hand. Many even get under way from the second - the first is so short. On the other hand: it is the short gears that allow the car to overcome obstacles and be at least a little dynamic with, to put it mildly, not the top-end engine.

What are Chevrolet Lacetti and Renault Logan hiding

We found a 2005 Chevrolet Lacetti car for 250 thousand rubles on the site with ads. There were more than 3 owners. No repair required. We will check the car by license plate through service "Autocode" :

The car has no accidents, 6 owners, mileage of 134,577 kilometers and a limitation in 2018:

Consider such a car for purchase is not worth it. You will not be able to issue it to yourself in the traffic police until the restrictions are lifted.

Now let's check out the Renault Logan.

Let's see what the Autocode report shows.

The car has traffic police restrictions, was used in a taxi, there are unpaid fines.

Both Logan and Lacetti, to the extent of their popularity in the used market, often face restrictions and work in a taxi. 6 out of 10 cars we tested turned out to be problematic. This suggests that when choosing between the two models, you should not forget about checking them. You can check the car history on our website or via the Autocode application.

What to choose

Both cars are not created for comfort, a nice exit at an expensive restaurant or renting girls. Both Lacetti and Logan are bought exclusively "to drive", but not on Lada. Which car to choose is up to you.

Who do you think won this fight: Lacetti or Logan? Leave your comments below.