Lada Largus models can be equipped with two types of engine - with 8 or 16 valves. The final price and equipment depends on which engine you prefer to have under the hood of your new car. We will understand the advantages and disadvantages of each option.

general information

For the first time, the Lada Largus station wagon appeared on sale in 2012. It is available in two versions - for transporting passengers or goods. Motorists are more interested in the passenger version, which, according to the manufacturer's idea, can accommodate 5 or 7 people. When developing this model, special attention was paid to such characteristics as:

• speed;
• comfort of the driver and passengers;
• smooth running.

The engines for this car were manufactured by the Renault concern, each of them is designed for use in the Russian climate. Any engine installed on a Lada Largus car can be used in the following conditions:

• winters;
• off-road;
• sharp temperature fluctuations.

Similar motors are installed on adapted Renault and Nissan models. Regardless of the valve system, the engine on the Lada has a volume of 1.6 liters and an electronically controlled multipoint fuel injection system. The motors work in tandem with a manual transmission, since the manufacturer decided not to use the automatic transmission on the Lada Largus.

Another feature from the domestic manufacturer was the use of only gasoline units operating on the AI-95 brand. AvtoVAZ experts explained this by the fact that despite the lower cost of diesel fuel, the assembly and maintenance of diesel engines will cost more. Minor fuel savings are disadvantageous to both producers and consumers. In terms of environmental friendliness, the joint production with Renault-Nissan allowed Largus to be tested for compliance with the Euro-4 standard.

For any engine of this car, the manufacturer has a resource of 160 thousand kilometers. After this mark, you may need major repairs, but with proper care, Lada Largus can easily travel much longer without stopping. Moreover, different numbers are indicated in the passports for each engine.

Eight-valve K7M 800

This engine model Lada Largus borrowed from Renault Logan and Sandero. They are absolutely identical. For the first time, this unit began to be installed on the above-mentioned foreign cars in 2010, then it was a little more powerful, but due to certification according to the Euro-4 standard, its design was revised. The engine lost three horsepower, and its output was 83.

A positive point in the eight-valve unit is that its resource, according to data from the manufacturer (Renault), is more than 400 thousand kilometers. The disadvantages of this motor can be noted based on the experience of using it not only on a Lada Largus car, but also on Logan:

• idling speed is not constant, floating;
• fuel consumption remains high;
• there are no hydraulic valve lifters, as a result of which they need to be adjusted every 30 thousand kilometers;
• it is recommended to change the timing belt every 60 thousand kilometers, since when it breaks, the valve covers are bent;
• crankshaft oil seals often leak;
• high level of noise and vibration during operation.

Lada Largus is a rather heavy car, and the eight-valve unit does not always “pull”. This disadvantage has already been noted by not a single motorist. This engine is most difficult to use when driving in yards. The lack of power is clearly noticeable when starting off.

See also: Specifications Lada Largus Cross 4x4

For Russia, the great advantage of such engines is that they are very undemanding to fuel. Of course, you should not refuel in questionable places all the time, but the unit will not malfunction from several times of using low-quality fuel.

Sixteen-valve K4M

This engine with a power of 105 hp. from. installed on seven-seater station wagons and used in a luxury configuration. It has significant differences from its eight-valve counterpart:

• fuel consumption in mixed mode - about 9 liters per 100 kilometers;
• quiet work;
• lack of vibration.

If you think which unit is better for Largus, then you should carefully consider the option with sixteen valves. It is more complicated, so the cost of a car equipped with such a motor will be slightly higher. Maintenance of a sixteen-valve engine will also take a lot of money from you, but at the same time you can easily drive over 450 thousand kilometers on it. It is only important to take care of it, listen to the advice of experts at the service station, change the components on time and not give too high a load.

Disadvantages of K4M:

• skip when using low quality fuel;
• insufficient dynamics;
• expensive spare parts;
• high prices for service in service centers.

If we compare two engines, then, undoubtedly, the K4M is more profitable, since it does not require frequent valve adjustment. Its disadvantages are not as significant as those of the eight-valve K7M.

Which unit is better to choose

If you want to buy a Largus, then you should buy a luxury package or a seven-door model, since in this case you will have a more reliable and modern engine model with sixteen valves under the hood. This is a more practical option, suitable both for driving in metropolitan areas with a lot of traffic jams and for driving on the highway.

These K4M engines are produced in Russia (marking P) and in Spain (marked with the letter D in the serial number). Despite the large number of jokes about the domestic auto industry, the build quality of the Russian unit is in no way inferior to the Spanish one. Changes in the operation of the production line led to the fact that the motors released from the domestic conveyor are absolutely suitable for world standards. This was also noted by François Goujon, who is the head of the Power Units company.

Largus with a sixteen-valve engine has successfully overcome test drives. The only nuance was the use of the car in the summer, when the engine can withstand the load from the switched on air conditioner. At low revs, the car goes with some effort, while when accelerating over 90 kilometers per hour, this disadvantage ceases to be felt.

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What engine is on the Lada Largus: volume, models, resource

A roomy station wagon called Lada Largus is nothing more than a modified Dacia Logan MCV model. Renault in its station wagons offered different engines - from 1.4-liter to 1.6-liter 8 and 16-valve internal combustion engines. Two of them were initially available on Largus. We are talking about K7M and K4M engines, each with a volume of 1.6 liters. You can learn about which engine is being installed on the Lada Largus from the text. Let's say right away that the 8-valve K7M received a replacement, and the licensed production of the K4M internal combustion engine was established at AvtoVAZ.

Largus with 8-valve "11189" are already being produced. The proof is in the video.

Facts only (compression ratio, specifications)

Renault 16-valve gasoline engine exists in several versions. The last of them, the most modern, meets Euro-5 standards. It is interesting here that the compression ratio of the 16-valve Renault is 9.8. Remember this number? And now - look: for an 8-valve VAZ engine, this figure is 10.5!

All VAZ ICEs, January 2016

It turns out that the VAZ engine needs better quality gasoline, since its compression ratio is higher.

Both engines in question are produced by the VAZ plant. And they both comply with Euro 5 standards. Their working volume is also the same, 1.6 liters. And the number of valves differs:

• K4M - 16 cl., 102 hp;
• 11189 - 8 cl., 87 hp

By the way, the 11189 engine looks better than its “predecessor”: it was Euro-4 - it became Euro-5, there were 84 “forces” - it was 87! Only now the compression ratio of the K7M engine was 9.5. He was "omnivorous."

Service intervals for Lada Largus engines

All Largus motors are the same in terms of reliability: if the timing belt breaks, the valves will be bent. It is necessary to replace the timing belt on the K4M engine once every 120 thousand, on its "competitor" - every 75 thousand km. Not impressive. And here is how everything is with the oil change:

• K4M - 15,000 km + filter replacement;
• 11189 is the same.

By the way, according to Renault's regulations, it was necessary to change the timing belt every 60,000 km. But, as they say, it is written with a pen - do not cut it out with an ax. See what VAZ “writes”.

120 thousand? Are they serious ??

If the timing belt breaks during the service interval, responsibility passes to the owner. Demand replacement according to Renault regulations, not VAZ.

16 valve engine - for those who are willing to pay more

It turns out that the timing belt on a 16-valve is better to change more often than VAZ indicates in the regulations. On the other hand, the belt may well live up to 120 thousand. But still, if you don't want to risk it, reduce the service interval by half. Together with the belt, it would be better to replace two rollers, a tensioner and a guide.

Timing Belt Tension Adjustment

The Largus station wagon itself is not a budget model. And the complete set with "16-valve" will not be at all budgetary.

Torque of both engines (comparison)

Let's try to answer the question, which engine in the Lada Largus is the most powerful. Finding the answer will be easy if you analyze the torque graph.

K4M, 16 valves, 1.6 L

VAZ-11189, 8 valves, 1.6 l

Again the paradox turns out:

• At "idle" the force is equal to 100 N * m;
• Then both graphs grow linearly. However, the Renault engine turns out to be more high-torque, since at 2000 rpm it develops 135 N * m, and not 130, like the VAZ engine. Alas and ah.

Everyone is accustomed to the fact that at low revs the 8-valve should "pull" better. Perhaps everything will be so, if you do not compare the motors of two different companies. Draw conclusions.

Those who intend to buy a K4M model engine - be sure to read it!

Be aware that any 16-valve engine is very sensitive to oil selection and quality. The engine in Largus at the factory is filled with imported material:

• SHELL PC 1448, 0W30
• ELF SOLARIS RNX, 5W30

At one time, LUKOIL Genesis RN oil was used, the viscosity of which corresponds to the 5W40 class. We have already written in more detail about the choice of oil for a 16-valve engine here.

What "they have" goes as "5W30", we call "5W40".

The oil filter, if we talk about 16 valves, also has strict requirements. And with an 8-valve, everything looks simpler: the choice of oils has 20 options, and the filter can be changed "every other time" (but this is already against the regulations).

Two features of the Renault engine

The reader may have noticed that K4M engines require more oil and it is necessary to fill in low-temperature oil: 0W is for temperatures "lower than minus 35". The bottom line is that the engine does have problems with winter starting. But it also has a phase regulator to provide better traction at the bottom.

Phase regulator gear in two-shaft internal combustion engines Renault

On VAZ-11189 motors, there is no phase adjustment system.

For Largus station wagons, the K4M engine was modified: the phase regulator was replaced with a conventional gear. Know this!

Hydraulic expansion joints fitted to the valve lifters make the K4M inaudible. In general, the combination "cast iron block + hydraulic lifters" is more typical for limousines. So consider that the Largus with 16 valves is a limousine. Requiring attention, quality service and expensive materials.

Hydraulic kit for K4M

Official figures

AvtoVAZ does not exclude that its 89th engine will be “fed” with 92nd gasoline. This option is officially allowed. But for the K4M engine, only AI-95 gasoline is suitable, also A-95 or better.

Speed \u200b\u200bcharacteristics:

• 8-cl .: 14.2 s, 158 km / h
• 16-cl .: 13.1 s, 165 km / h

Acceleration time from zero to 100 km / h is indicated here.

Be aware that different engines on Largus come with different boxes. In the first case (8 cl.) The gear ratio of the main pair is 4.5. In the second - 4.2! We have already written about changing the oil in them here.

In general, the Largus with an 8-valve is a family car that is not intended for high-speed travel. Acceleration "from scratch" on it goes very quickly, but this is due to the overestimated gear ratio. Thanks to him, from about 130 km / h, the dynamics disappears completely.

The VAZ company promises us the best efficiency just with the K4M engine, and not with the 11189. The figures do not differ much, but they are in the region of 8 liters per hundred.

Video with overclocking "from 0 to 100" on 16 valves

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Largusology - Auto Review

I have been driving the Lada Largus station wagon with a Renault K4M engine for the third year already. And recently AvtoVAZ introduced engines of its own design to Largusy, with an index of 11189. How could you not compare this with mine? I also compared.

The VAZ-11189 motor has been known for a long time, Kalina and Granta are equipped with it. No technical fancy, two valves per cylinder - simplicity itself. As a result, it is more spacious under the hood; nevertheless, the introduction entailed a rearrangement of the engine compartment. The air filter, unified with Vesta, required the transfer of the expansion tank to the right side member, and the tank itself was used from the XRAY model. A detail of bad fame: during our resource tests, these burst constantly. It remains to be hoped that we have learned to weld the halves of the tank firmly.

Routinely, before testing, we first subject the machines to weight analysis. Moreover, the Largus with a VAZ engine (hereinafter - Vazolargus) we got in a seven-seat modification; there is reason to believe that it will be significantly heavier. I didn't guess: it turned out twelve kilograms lighter than my five-seater with a Renault engine (hereinafter - Renolargus). The weight distribution is different for cars: the front end of Vazolargus is significantly less.

Of course, the masses were leveled for correct measurements; for this, in the process of work, assembled wheels were changed from car to car, so that each exercise was performed on the same tires. The fuel was also identical - AI-95. Why? Although "ninety-second" gasoline is allowed for the VAZ-11189 engine, however, the instructions indicate that all the characteristics were obtained on the AI-95, and it was poured in.

Measurements of overclocking showed that the results differ by an insignificant one and a half seconds to “hundreds”. And the maximum speed of Renolargus is as much as 10 km / h higher.

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Largus engine: characteristics, malfunctions and tuning

LADA Largus is a roomy front-wheel drive station wagon of class "B", created on the basis of the popular Renault Logan MCV model. Initially, the car was equipped with French 1.6-liter engines - K4M (102 or 105 HP) and K7M 710/800 (86 HP). Since the beginning of 2016, Largus has been equipped with a VAZ 11189 engine, replacing it with an imported Renault K7M 710/800 power unit, similar in power and cylinder volume. The new Largus engine is a modified version of the VAZ 11186 engine, which was used to aggregate LADA cars: Granta, Kalina and Priora.

The operational and technical characteristics of the station wagon largely depend on which engine is on the LADA Largus car. However, it should be noted that the use of a motor of its own production allowed AvtoVAZ to increase the level of vehicle localization up to 85%.

Specifications

VAZ 11189 has the following characteristics:

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PARAMETER VALUE

Working volume of cylinders, cu. cm	1596
Rated power, hp from. (at 5100 rpm.)	87
Max torque, Nm (at 3800 rpm.)	132
Number of cylinders	4
Number of valves per cylinder	2
Total number of valves	8
Cylinder diameter, mm	82
Piston stroke, mm	75.6
Compression ratio	10.5
Cylinder operation diagram	1 - 3 - 4- 2
Supply system	Electronic multi-point injection
Fuel	Unleaded gasoline AI-92, AI-95
Fuel consumption, l./100 km (mixed mode)	7
Engine oil type	5W-30, 5W-40, 10W-40, 15W-40
The amount of engine oil, l	3.5
Motor resource, thousand hours	200
Weight, kg	112

The engine was installed on LADA: Vesta and Largus.

Description

The new LADA Largus VAZ 11189 engine completes the VAZ line of power units: 21083 - 21114 - 21116 - 11186.

Structurally, it is all the same in-line injection 4-cylinder engine with an overhead camshaft. The SONC timing belt is driven by a toothed belt.

Among the disadvantages of the Lada Largus engine, professionals note a decrease in motor resource up to 200,000 km, as well as the fact that when the timing belt breaks, the motor bends the valve.

In the process of modernization, the motor received:

• lightweight connecting rod and piston group;
• automatic tensioner for the timing belt;
• piston cooling nozzles;
• electronic throttle pipe of a new generation;
• a metal cylinder head gasket;
• modern catalytic converter;
• new resonator-noise absorber at the intake.

The changes made allowed:

1. Increase vibroacoustic parameters.
2. Increase power.
3. Bring environmental characteristics to the level of the EURO-5 standard.
4. Reduce fuel consumption.

Maintenance

The maintenance of the VAZ 11189 engine is no different from the standard maintenance of similar VAZ engines.

It includes:

• oil change every 15,000 km, but not less than once a year. In this case, you need to fill in at least 3.2 liters of oil;
• checking and, if necessary, replacing spark plugs at each oil change;
• periodic inspection of the engine to detect leaks of engine and transmission oil, as well as coolant. If any defects are detected, they must be promptly eliminated;
• replacement of the drive belt after 45 ... 60 thousand km.

Malfunctions

Tuning

All 8-valve engines manufactured by AvtoVAZ are tuned according to the same schemes. The VAZ 11189 Lada Largus engines are no exception.

The motor is tuned as follows:

• Atmospheric tuning without replacing the cylinder head

1. replace the standard camshaft with a Nuzhdin 10.93 or OKB Dinamika 108 shaft;
2. install the split gear;
3. arrange the exhaust with a 4-2-1 spider;
4. install the receiver on top of the cylinder head;
5. replace the standard throttle valve with a 54 mm valve;
6. adjust the valve timing.

Qualified execution of these works will allow increasing the engine power up to 100 hp. from. By modifying the cylinder head (milling) and installing lightweight T-valves, the power can be increased to 115 hp. from.

Similar results can be achieved by installing a PK-23-1 compressor (pressure 0.5 bar) and a Nuzhdin 10.42 or 10.63 camshaft on the engine.

• Turbine installation

The easiest way to turbocharged 8-valve VAZ 11189 engines is to use whales based on the Garrett 17 turbine. By installing such a kit, you can increase the power of the power unit to 130 hp. from.

There are other ways to install the turbine, but they are large in scope and costly. In addition, 8-valve turbocharged engines are very sensitive to detonation, which ultimately leads to a significant decrease in engine life and the need for expensive repairs.

The optimal solution that will allow you to easily raise the power of the VAZ 11189 engine to 180 liters. with., is the replacement of the 8-valve cylinder head with a 16-valve one. After that, you can use any of the methods described earlier to tune the engine.

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What is the engine on the Lada Largus?

Introduction

Lada Largus is the most prominent representative of domestic minivans, which, according to the Avtostat news agency, took the first position in terms of sales in its class from January to August 2016. The popularity of this model is growing not only in Russia and neighboring countries, but even in Germany.

A little about the models

Undoubtedly, each car has its own pros and cons, and Lada Largus has those. Many are confused by the fact that the car is domestic, but representatives of the board of directors of the automaker, as well as European experts, argue that the quality of the car and its assembly comply with European standards.

Each engine has its own pros and cons

The Largus model itself was released in 2012. After entering the market, its popularity began to grow. The minivan was created on the Nissan-Renault platform and combined aesthetics, grace and practicality. Good capacity and good cross-country ability were only in the hands of manufacturers to increase those who want to buy this car. The car model was presented in two variations: passenger and cargo. If the characteristics of the cargo version, by definition, are aimed at carrying capacity, suspension strength, "endurance" when transporting heavy loads. In the passenger modification, the emphasis is on comfort, interior decoration, smoothness and speed.

In the development of engines, a lot of factors were taken into account, among which the main ones were far from ideal climatic conditions for any car, including severe winter frosts with high humidity, sharp temperature changes. Also an important aspect is the road conditions themselves. It is far from everywhere possible to travel harmlessly on the roads, especially in regions remote from the capital.

The dimensional characteristics of the car are as follows: body length is 4.45 meters, width is 1.74 meters, and height is 1.63 meters. The trunk in each model is very spacious, its volume is about 560 liters. Passenger cars also have good capacity. They can comfortably accommodate from five to seven people.

Types of Lada Largus engines

It is necessary to consider in more detail the options for the motor model range of Lada Largus, so that everyone can determine the most suitable for themselves.

1 - air conditioning compressor; 2 - drive belt; 3 - generator; 4 - power steering pump; 5 - oil dipstick; 6 - cylinder head cover; 7 - ignition coil; 8 - tips of BB wires; 9 - cylinder head; 10 - thermostat housing; 11 - exhaust manifold; 12 - water pump pipe; 13 - sensor of insufficient oil pressure; 14 - plug; 15 - flywheel; 16 - cylinder block; 17 - oil pan; 18 - oil filter

Today, depending on the configuration, Renault engines with a capacity of 90 and 105 horsepower are installed. These are two gasoline engines, in-line design, equipped with four cylinders with a volume of 1.6 liters. The engine in all cars is located at the front, across the body.

Eight valve engine

The volume of the power unit is 1.6 liters, the power that it is capable of developing is 84 horsepower. This unit is often installed on a model of the "norm" or "standard" class.

Sixteen-valve engine

This engine is slightly more powerful than the eight-valve. Its power is about 105 horsepower. Such units are installed on a luxury configuration.

Both Renault-Nissan engines work in conjunction with a five-speed manual transmission. The machine is not yet planned to be installed on the Largus model.

"Largus" engines are characterized by high elasticity, and the manual transmission responds clearly to all switching on and off. In order to perform a confident overtaking or briskly get under way from the start, the power of the engines is enough. Both the eight-valve and sixteen-valve engines comply with Euro 4 emission standards.

On all cars, depending on the configuration, it is possible to install additional equipment:

• manual steering model without power steering;
• cars with manual steering with climate control adjustment;
• cars with power steering;
• car model with hydraulic booster and climate control adjustment.
• Some calculations from the technical characteristics of the K4M and K7M Largus engines:
• fuel: gasoline AI-95 and higher;
• fuel injection: distributed, electronically controlled;
• engine cylinders: both motors have 4 cylinders arranged in a row;
• number of valves: K4M - 16 cylinders, K7M - 8 cylinders;
• nominal displacement of the power unit: 1598 cm3;
• maximum torque (at what rpm it is achieved): K4M - 148 at 3750, K7M - 124 at 3000;
• working volume of oil with oil filter: K4M - 4.8 liters, K7M - 3.3 liters.

K7M characteristics

These power units were successfully installed on the Renault Logan, Renault Sandero, and now on the Lada Largus. Until 2010, the K7M 7100 engine was successfully produced and worked. After the modernization, it was replaced by the K7M 800, which structurally did not have any differences, and the difference between them was in the number of horsepower, their number decreased (there were 86 "horses", now - 83 ). And also changes were made in terms of environmental indicators. The new engine belongs to the Euro-4 category.

However, the disadvantages have not gone anywhere:

• Fuel consumption remains high and remains;
• There is a problem with floating idle speed;
• It is necessary to adjust the engine valves almost every 20-30 thousand kilometers;
• There are no hydraulic compensators;
• It is recommended to change the timing belt every 60 thousand kilometers;
• After prolonged use, more than 70-90 thousand kilometers, crankshaft oil seal leaks may occur;
• The engine makes too much noise during operation;
• Vibration in the engine may occur during prolonged operation at higher speeds.

If we consider the advantages of the engine, then among them the reliability of such power units stands out as a bright spot. According to the plant, the engine resource is declared about four hundred thousand kilometers, although in real conditions it may be slightly more.

K4M characteristics

This motor has also been successfully installed and works to this day on Renault Logan and Renault Sandero cars. Also, they began to install it on richer "\u003e configurations Lada Largus. Among the bright advantages, unlike the K7M, this unit is much quieter, more economical, and also does not have vibration during long-term operation.

However, there are still disadvantages:

• Spare parts for such elements are very expensive;
• The timing belt will have to be changed every 60 thousand kilometers, otherwise, if it breaks, all the valves will be bent;
• Operational failures may occur;
• If low-quality fuel gets into the car, then it will immediately react to it with floating idle speed;
• If the unit is no longer new, but rather worn, it can be a little triple.

Still, if you make a choice between two foreign options, then it is best, of course, to make a choice in the direction of a more modern and powerful motor - K4M.

Whose engine is Largus really

Initially, as already mentioned, the engines for Lada Largus were produced at the Renault plant in Spain and delivered to Russia in full assembly. However, now, since December 2015, K4M engines (sixteen-valve, one hundred and five strong) have been produced at the AvtoVAZ concern. Referring to the words of the Director of the Power Units project, all engines have high production efficiency, are thoroughly tested and meet the most stringent requirements of European standards. François Goujon is confident in the success of this project and is ready to make considerable efforts to further develop new models of units for Russian cars.

According to AvtoVAZ representatives, all engines comply with international standards, the personnel are constantly trained and receive additional professional skills in working with new elements. Production control technology has one important aspect: a randomly created engine is selected weekly and tested on several stands, and then disassembled for internal study.

As has been mentioned more than once, since the end of 2015, the AvtoVAZ concern has begun installing its own developments on some Largus models - 8-valve VAZ 11189 engines. Until that time, these motors have successfully shown themselves in work on models such as Lada Granda and Lada Kalina. This engine model is perfectly adapted to the VO platform with a separate subframe.

Unlike the French, the domestic engine has a greater number of "horses", 87. The torque is about 140 instead of 124 Nm. With the new Russian engine, cars have become several times more economical, the average consumption has become about 8.2 liters per hundred. And one of the most important and main indicators - the cost of the "naked" VAZ11189 is thirteen thousand cheaper than the French unit.

Let's sum up

Lada Largus is a modern car that can be presented in various variations and assemblies. In fact, you can put any engine on it, and it will work faithfully for a long time, however, lovers of faster and quieter driving will confidently choose the European K4M. All installed engines have some differences, but no global changes will occur and Lada Largus will be on the leaderboards of the rating for sold cars in its class for a long time.

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Lada Largus 2012 after 105 thousand km - Behind the wheel magazine

May 6, 2017

Time flew by. It seems that only yesterday Largus ran in and started in a high-speed 60-hour marathon, and today the number on the odometer has become six-digit. The character of the car can be seen already in the first thousand, some nuances of operation appear a little later, and something specific about reliability can be said only when the mileage is at least hundreds of thousands of kilometers. So it's time to talk about the reliability of Largus.

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Over the past 40,000 km since the last report, our Lada with Franco-Romanian ancestry has several times arranged unpleasant surprises. However, these malfunctions did not require urgent elimination, for which special thanks to Largus.

The most curious riddle was thrown by a failed thermostat. When driving on the highway, the engine began to cool down - this was noticeable both by the temperature sensor and by the cool air from the heater deflectors. The thermostat was changed. The original was not found in the nearest store, so we purchased an analogue from Era. The engine cooling system worked properly again, but not for long - after a few hundred kilometers, the symptoms recurred. I already, really, began to doubt that the reason was in the thermostat, but all the signs stubbornly pointed to its malfunction. In search of a good thermostat, I searched Internet forums, interviewed servicemen and sellers - and opted for a product from the renowned company Gates. I hope I was not mistaken. For at least 30,000 km, the thermostat has been working flawlessly.

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Test drive Lada Largus

Large budget wagon Renault / Dacia Logan MCV, created on the basis of the Logan sedan, appeared in Europe back in 2006. But such a car reached Russia only in 2012 under the name…. Lada Largus!

As for the exterior, Lada Largus looks almost the same as the Romanian-French “donor”. The appearance of the car is well thought out, simple and quite attractive, without any frills. But this is not the main thing in a family station wagon, so in this case you want to quickly get behind the wheel, evaluate the ergonomics and test it on the go.

The interior of the Lada Largus migrated from the Logan almost unchanged. The dashboard is ergonomic and functional, the center console is simple, well thought out and contains the main controls. At the same time, there are a lot of ergonomic miscalculations: the front power window buttons are located on the center console, the rear ones are between the front seats, the windshield washer is activated separately from the wipers, the seat heating start button is very difficult to find, and the sound signal is based on the end of the left steering column switch.

The car is available in a five- or seven-seater version. Sitting in the front is comfortable, lateral support is moderately developed, the rear seat passengers have enough space, and it is quite tolerable in the gallery, even if you can't hold out there for a long time.

But most importantly, how the car behaves on the move. For Lada Largus, two petrol engines with a volume of 1.6 liters each are available - this is an 8-valve unit that produces 87 horsepower and 128 Nm of peak torque, and a 16-valve engine with a return of 105 “horses” and 148 Nm. They are combined exclusively with a 5-speed "mechanics" and front-wheel drive.

Well, having driven the 87-horsepower version, everyone will understand that for a large station wagon, the engine is clearly weak. If at the bottom the motor has a decent supply of traction, then at high revs its potential is noticeably reduced. An empty car drives well, however, its acceleration is sluggish both from a standstill and from medium revs, and if you completely fill the cabin with passengers, and even load several bags, then the lack of power begins to be felt at every step. When driving around the city, this is not so pronounced, but on the track it is very noticeable, especially when overtaking. In this case, it is better to calculate the trajectory in advance, and not to risk it in the climbs. The optimum speed for such a "Largus" is 100-110 km / h, further acceleration proceeds slowly, and the engine begins to roar noticeably, delivering acoustic discomfort. The 105-horsepower engine also does not present surprises. The five-seat version takes 13.1 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 100 km / h, and the seven-seat version takes 13.5 seconds. Of course, if you drive with an empty interior and trunk, then its capabilities are quite enough even for those who like rather active driving. And if you increase the load, it becomes clear that the motor is frankly sluggish, and some noticeable acceleration begins only after the engine is cranked up at 3,500 rpm. But it should be noted that even in a fully loaded state, this power unit allows it to keep up with the total flow. But in the character of the motor there is a more important trait for a large station wagon - it is elasticity, thanks to which you can drive at low revs, without constant switching. The first gear of the Largus station wagon is too short, just like the Renault Duster. Most likely, this move was taken to compensate for the small traction reserve at low revs. And if you drive at a speed of at least 50 km / h, then you don't have to switch to a lower gear at all - the engine confidently accelerates the difficult car in fifth up to maximum speed. By the way, the car can gain the passport "maximum speed" even at full load, though it is not easy for him. In addition, in this case, there is a lack of sixth gear - at a speed of 110-120 km / h, the unit is too loud. As for the "appetite", Lada Largus with a 105-horsepower engine is rather moderate - an average of about 9 liters of fuel per 100 km of run.

Disc brakes are installed on the front of the Lada Largus station wagon, and drum brakes on the back. The car has no noticeable problems with braking, but the effectiveness of deceleration and the informativeness of the middle pedal clearly do not reach those of foreign cars. The Largus is managed surprisingly well. Rolls are observed in all directions, however, in general, he behaves in a collected and intelligible manner. At normal speeds, the car is understandable and predictable.

But the Lada Largus suspension deserves only praise! Still, after all, he got it from "Logan", retaining all its energy intensity. The car is perfectly adapted to Russian roads. Potholes, pits, potholes, bumps, cracks - the machine literally ignores them. But still, cargo "notes" make themselves felt - on small irregularities the suspension is stiff.

The Lada Largus station wagon is a car with its own advantages and disadvantages. The main advantage of the car is its spaciousness and practicality. Good transformation possibilities make Largus truly versatile: the third row of seats can be removed, and the second one can be folded (or also removed), thereby obtaining a useful volume of more than 2 cubic meters. An unkillable and energy-intensive suspension is another big plus for the car, as well as an affordable price, excellent maintainability and availability of spare parts.

But not everything is as good as it seems at first glance. Noise isolation is one of the main disadvantages of Lada Largus. Its lack is especially evident at high speeds. There are also serious problems with the ergonomics of the cabin, in particular with the location of some of the controls. The car could use more powerful engines and a 6-speed gearbox. The dynamics are not encouraging, and the thrust reserve at full load is not always enough.

One conclusion can be made: for its money, Lada Largus is a good family car, in which in the first of the Lada you feel almost like in a foreign car.

Largus with a 16-valve K4M 105 hp engine. enjoyed more popularity than the version with an 84-horsepower eight-valve K7M engine of Romanian production, which was frankly weak. Why was it? But because the transition to Euro-5 was a verdict: to drive this motor into the new standards means accepting the inevitable loss of power and torque, and he is not a hero anyway. Moreover, it is not produced at AVTOVAZ - therefore, it falls into the category of foreign currency components.

An elegant move was found, and for rubles: under the hood, a native VAZ eight-valve VAZ-1118 was registered. A Largus with such an engine costs from 497,500 rubles for a van and from 524,500 rubles for a station wagon.

The engine was assigned its own index VAZ-11189, since the supports and the entire set of attachments (power steering pump, generator, air conditioning compressor) were changed. But the essence is still the same: this motor with a lightweight connecting rod-piston group is well known to the owners of front-wheel drive Ladas and Datsuns as a reliable and easy-to-maintain unit.

What did you get about the foreign engine K7M? Power 87 "horses" (+3 hp), maximum torque 140 Nm (+17 Nm). The maximum speed of a five-seater station wagon has increased by 2 km / h, a van and a seven-seater station wagon - by 3 km / h. To hundreds of five-seater Largus accelerates faster by three tenths of a second, seven-seater - by a second.

Another advantage: the French engine requires AI-95 gasoline, and ours is officially approved for the 92nd. The fuel consumption in the service documents is the same, but I dare to assume that the VAZ engine will be less voracious in life.

To install the VAZ-11189 engine on the Largus, a re-arrangement was required: the battery was moved, the fuse box was changed, the coolant expansion tank was moved to the right wing. In its place is now the body of the Vesta air filter. The air intake-resonator, of course, is also of a new type. Hoses, lines, wiring harnesses are laid otherwise.

The new engine is paired with a 5-speed JR5 gearbox, designed for torque up to 200 Nm. It is familiar from the cars of the Renault-Nissan alliance - it is installed, for example, on the Sandero Stepway. The box is adapted to the Russian engine: gear pairs with different gear ratios are selected. The shift mechanism is driven by a cable. But the clutch is in charge of hydraulics.

In addition, the car received a new clutch housing, common with the XRAY model, as well as a driven disc and a LuK basket.

I managed to knock out for a short trip a five-seat Largus with a new engine that had just rolled off the assembly line. If you do not open the hood, nothing gives out the domestic unit. No typical noises, vibrations, twitches. From acceleration it is clear that it is not a sixteen-valve, but the car is going faster than before. And it brakes well, and you feel the drive with the new amplifier immediately.

They say power sells the car, and the race wins the torque. Largus is clearly not for competition, but in everyday life, the supply of torque will not hurt. And according to this indicator, the VAZ-11189 engine is preferable to its predecessor.

By the way, the 16-valve K4M engine is now also assembled in Togliatti, and it is included in the Euro-5 standards. Payback for the environment - a drop in power from 105 to 102 HP, and torque - from 148 to 145 Nm.

As soon as they took up the motors of the Largus family, why not revise the level of equipment? Now all cars have thermal glass, cabin air filters and a seat belt warning indicator. Instead of a cigarette lighter - a universal socket for 12 V. The wiper mechanism has been improved, thanks to which it was possible to get rid of the "French tear" - a characteristic leak in the center of the windshield. A more efficient vacuum booster has appeared in the brake system - from ATE. The configurations were also slightly corrected: earlier, only Lux modifications were equipped with a 16-valve K4M engine, now they can be found on Norma.

In general, concern for the environment helped Largus to improve power characteristics and not lose price attractiveness.

AvtoVAZ set out to create a good car several years ago. A sort of workhorse for the people. Even then, the work of the VAZ alliance with Renault was felt with might and main. Largus is a direct reflection of teamwork. Developed a car based on Logan. The platform is so successful that the Duster crossover, Sandero hatchback and many Nissan car models are produced on it.

There were not many reworkings in Logan to make him Largus. Only the suspension was well redesigned, but the appearance was slightly changed.

Engines for Largus

The body is a body, but something has to set the car in motion. The manufacturer did not reinvent the wheel and installed engines from Logan on the Largus:

• K7M with 8 valves - 86 hp;
• K4M with 16 valves - 105 HP

But, there is a domestic development, the engine from Vesta - VAZ 11189. It is also put on Largus. In fact, this is an engine from Grants, only converted to Euro 5 standards.

We are interested in the last 2 engines: French with 16 valves and ours, with 8 valves. It is interesting to know what reviews motorists write on Largus with an engine from VAZ. And of course, compare them with reviews on a 16-valve engine of foreign production.

Reviews

Alexander Tatishchev, Yaroslavl, Comparison of Kalina and Largus with a 16-valve engine

I was lucky to be the owner of 2 cars of our production: Kalina 2 with an 8 valve engine and Largus with a new 16 valve engine. Well, as new - borrowed. Therefore, for interest, I decided to compare the 16 valve motor and Largus with a VAZ engine and write a review about my feelings.

Note! A VAZ 11189 engine with 8 valves is also installed on Kalina.

Kalina often drives with me fully loaded, since my professional occupation is construction. It happens that she has to carry half a ton. Duck here Kalina on an 11189 engine with 8 valves is quite playful. Even when climbing, it is easy to overtake. Our engineers built an excellent 8 valve engine, in my opinion.

Largus will have more carrying capacity, but the weight of the car is also greater. I even did a little tuning, but it doesn't help. The car does not go stupidly, there is no agility even when empty. Therefore, the K4M engine on the Lada Largus with 16 valves deserves not the most flattering reviews.

I'm seriously thinking about changing the Largus to another car. You can even Kalina, only newer.

Ivan Kulba, Lada Kalina 2 with a VAZ 11189 engine, Nizhny Novgorod

For the last 2 years I have been driving Kalina 2. I live in a rural area, so I carry a lot of cargo, both household and work. In general, the car is always loaded. I did not experience any problems during operation. From time to time, however, it was necessary to adjust the valves in the company service. Well, the standard MOT. I dashed off 20 thousand in 2 years. I know that even if 11189 with 8 valves breaks down, repairing it will not be expensive. I use semi-synthetics oil. A neighbor has a Lada Largus with a VAZ 11189 engine and his reviews are not so flattering. Once he gave me a pass in his empty car. Duck Largus has no dynamics at all. I don't even know how people tolerate such a stupid response to gas. The processing of the engine under the Euro 5 standard may have affected, but the car should not lose so much in dynamics. It's good that the amount of repair if anything will be the same. And what about the 16 valve Largus? There, repairs will cost a penny.

Note! The simplicity of the design is the main distinguishing feature of the VAZ 11189 engine, compared to a 16-valve engine of foreign production. If the latter breaks down, repairs will be significantly expensive. True, the French engine is more modern than ours.

Nikolay the Last, Lada Largus 1.6 (105 HP) 2014, Ulyanovsk

In principle, the car is not bad, quite roomy. But there is one unpleasant feature. The designers seem to have conspired with the oilmen, or the engineers do not know how to make calculations! The fact is that the fuel consumption is 6 liters. 100 km outside the city can only be reached at a speed of 60 km / h. But will there be those willing to trudge with such a snail's speed? We have dead roads, but not to the same extent. Such a flow should be on this car only at 90 km / h. Although the manufacturer claims that a 16 valve engine is economical, this does not work out in practice. I don't know what kind of engine chip tuning Lada Largus needs in order to gain positive feedback. And the dynamics - it seems to be not there. When the air conditioner is turned on in the summer, an already not frisky car still loses in dynamics. As for the standard speed of 90 km / h, then it has an engine of 8.5 liters per hundred. It won't do!

Note! The air conditioning compressor is driven through a clutch from the engine and can consume some of its power, which leads to an increase in fuel consumption.

Alexander Kisly, Lada Largus 5 seats, 8-valve engine, Astrakhan

A new car is a good buy. Anything better should be an old foreign car. But after it, in his native Lada, there are not enough useful little things in the cabin. You adapt to this. In principle, Largus is a good compromise between cost and quality.

As for the response to the Lada Largus VAZ 11189 engine, I am afraid of the high fuel consumption. The data are somewhat at variance with those stated by the manufacturer. At a speed of 130 km / h, as many as 10 liters per hundred go out on the highway. This is a bit too much. But I didn't load the car to capacity. And what will happen when fully loaded. As for the motor part, it is worth noting that the 8 valve version is rather weak for Largus. This needs a more powerful motor. But according to rumors, even a 16 valve motor is not enough for dynamic driving.

About the 5th step. They say they write that the engine roars on it, but there is no speed. I have a speed of 100 km / h on the tachometer for 3 thousand. At 4 thousand - 120 km / h.

Note! The manufacturer claims that on the highway, the VAZ 11189 engine with 8 valves should have a flow rate of just below 7 liters. In the city 9-10 years. Well, the data is slightly at odds with reality.

Nikita Khrapsky, Lada Largus 2013, motor - 16-valve, Arkhangelsk

When buying a car, I was afraid. Still, the Zhiguli are notorious. But the car has been serving faithfully in construction business for 2.5 years. Helps to transport goods and not light ones. I don’t overload too much, but I don’t spoil the car either.

The 16 valve K4M engine on my Lada Largus deserves a good review, since there were no breakdowns during operation. I didn’t drive much on it - only 43 thousand km. Having read the stories about the timing belt, I'm already preparing to change it. Still, I do not want to get into an expensive valve repair because of its breakage. Well, so all that I have according to the manual. I even go through service a little earlier, so that 2-3 thousand cars do not reach the maintenance period. So I warn her against breakdowns. Still, I travel a lot.

As for the dynamics, I'm used to it. Although after a foreign car the first time was not easy. But what to do - this is how the engineers created this car. It remains only to use. It costs its money.

Ivan Sytko, Lada Largus 2014, 16-valve engine, Novosibirsk

I have a car for 2 years. Complaints? Domestic. There are shortcomings in many areas, but they are minor, and somehow I got used to it. It is a sin to find fault with a manufacturer who offers a new car for that kind of money, and even his own.

As for the dynamics of the 16 valve motor, there is enough of it on the Largus in city traffic. In principle, it is comfortable to ride on the highway, but up to 115 km / h. If you want to go higher, you need to change the gear ratio of 5th gear. The 92nd gasoline goes to Largus with a bang, although the manual says to use 95. But the latter has a lot of additives - I don't want to spoil the fuel system and I'd better take care of the injectors. Once I poured a body 95 in some backwater, I don't want to remember it. I don't know how the motor survived. Probably, another would have already broken from such vibrations. In general, I cleaned the entire fuel system.

As for the pros:

• high maintainability;
• a lot of spare parts and they are cheap;
• reliable engine.

Disadvantages:

• fuel consumption is higher than the manufacturer claims;
• engine noise is heard at medium and high speeds.

In general, the expense hits the wallet a little, you get used to ergonomics, but otherwise there are no complaints.

Mikhail Prokopiev, Largus 2012 with a 16-valve engine, Tambov

I was among the first buyers of Largus in the city. I chose the 16 valve version because I needed a powerful and reliable motor. I travel a lot. I work in forestry, so I have to travel long distances.

A domestic car is not a pity to get stuck - it can always be repaired. This quality was taken over by Largus. The engine is good but lacks traction on the track. Yes, and the city is rather weak. But I rarely go there, so maybe his strangulation only seems to me. I read the reviews - I don't think so.

The timing belt was changed for 60 thousand. But the noise was already heard for 20 thousand. I don't know how I didn't get to repair the valves. I was lucky because I read about him later.

Summing up

The presented reviews about the main Largus engines - the 8-valve VAZ 11189 and the foreign 16-valve, suggest that a slightly more powerful motor is needed for full dynamics for the car. Perhaps the engineers conceived a calm and obedient car, but in fact it came out very sluggish.

The weakness of the engines, even the 16-valve version, is evidenced by the fact that they consume a little more fuel than stated. Almost everyone complains about it. For comparison, you can take Kalina 2 from the first review with the same 8-valve engine. According to the user, he walks confidently and dynamically, which is what Largus lacks.

Tuning can be applied to both motors, but this is an additional cost. In addition, the guarantee will fly off on a new car. It's easier to buy a different car and do not suffer. Although some people like to dig deeper into the gland. An 8-valve engine can be stifled by environmental control, and a 16-valve one, in general, has ample chip tuning capabilities that allow you to raise power to 150 hp. from.

AVTOVAZ continues to localize the borrowed LADA models. How the most popular Largus minivan feels, having replaced the foreign unit with a Russian analogue, understands the long test drive Lada Club.

Changes that are not noticeable at first glance

We took this LADA Largus Cross for a test drive in order to check the integration of the Russian 16-valve engine and the domestic gearbox on the borrowed Dacia Logan MCV platform. The localization process at AVTOVAZ has been going on since the launch of this car in 2012. Albeit slowly, but the main foreign units are being replaced by Russians. The question arises: - Is it good or bad? Of course, the foreign engine pulls at the bottom and is recognized as a rather resourceful unit, nevertheless, Russian drivers are closer in spirit to the domestic version with our sixteen-clapanic. Over the decades of its operation in Russia, drivers and mechanics have learned all its nuances. In addition, working in conjunction with a VAZ box, this couple should be more suitable for a new family minivan. We decided to check all these assumptions during our test drive.

Struggling for comfort

For a cleaner comparison, we rode one of the first LADA Largus for several days. The very same herd of 102 hp, incomprehensible to Russian "economists" with three extra "mares", because of which all car owners have to spend more on transport tax. A short test reminded us of the main complaint about the traction gear ratio. Even on the first test drives, journalists practically in unison noted the overestimated number of revolutions at low speeds. For example, at a cruising speed of 120 km / h, the unit spun up to 4000 rpm. This had a detrimental effect on fuel consumption, forcing the owners to spend more fuel on the same 100 kilometers. In addition, if the owner of the minivan got on the highway, then at a speed of 150 km / h the engine practically went into the “cut-off” and the tachometer needle loomed in the red zone. The Russian kulibins were able to defeat this ailment by replacing two gears of the gearbox. This upgrade can be done without dismantling the motor, but simply by unscrewing the left wheel and removing the protective cover. You can learn more about these manipulations in our old review materials.

With the transition to a Russian engine and gearbox, the problem with overspeed and increased consumption was automatically eliminated. But a high-revving Russian engine with a volume of 1.6 liters and a capacity of 106 hp. has its drawbacks for this body. This can be best understood in summer and when the cabin is fully loaded. If a foreign unit easily starts at traffic lights with a light press on the gas pedal, then our motor must be spinned in advance. This is especially noticeable when you turn on the air conditioner. In this mode, part of the power goes to create a favorable atmosphere in the cabin and the domestic 16-valve valve does not feel so comfortable. The cruellest test for him will be the presence of all passengers in the cabin and a loaded trailer at the back. In this case, before releasing the clutch pedal, the driver will have to thoroughly spin the engine by raising the arrow to 2000 rpm.

Speed \u200b\u200badvantage

Losing at the start, our power unit wins back points at high speeds. When the speed is above 100 km / h, the car feels free on the track, without making the driver nervous to watch the fuel consumption. LADA Largus easily conquers higher speed modes from 120 to 150 km / h at 3500 - 4500 rpm. This allows for quiet acceleration without flinching from the roar of the engine under the hood. Of course, driving faster than 140 km / h on Russian roads is dangerous, but for residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg, these speeds are not prohibitive. On developing toll highways, the maximum speed is limited to 130 km / h, which means that the flow rate will be in the region of 150-160 km / h. Imagine that you have to test a foreign motor at these speeds, working for a long time at maximum rpm. In the Russian version, LADA Largus is ready for such feats without harmful consequences for the engine.

As for the choice of the engine for the Cross version, here we tend to the original version with the borrowed engine. For driving on rough terrain, high speeds are not required; stable traction at medium revs is more appreciated here. In addition, small mud "traps" and sandy sections near small rivers do not tolerate excessive wheel spin. To overcome them, low-speed motors with a stable thrust at 2000 rpm are better suited. Unfortunately, it will not be possible to get lost in the choice of Russian and foreign motor now. AVTOVAZ has completely transferred LADA Largus to domestic internal combustion engines. But do not forget that this miwen with a full third row of seats received recognition - the most tenacious LADA product. This means that with a strong desire to become the owner of a foreign unit, in the secondary market you can find a lot of good options for this car.

For Russia, the great advantage of such engines is that they are very undemanding to fuel. Of course, you should not refuel in questionable places all the time, but the unit will not malfunction from several times of using low-quality fuel.

Sixteen-valve K4M

This engine with a power of 105 hp. from. installed on seven-seater station wagons and used in a luxury configuration. It has significant differences from its eight-valve counterpart:

• fuel consumption in mixed mode - about 9 liters per 100 kilometers;
• quiet work;
• lack of vibration.

If you think which unit is better for Largus, then you should carefully consider the option with sixteen valves. It is more complicated, so the cost of a car equipped with such a motor will be slightly higher. Maintenance of a sixteen-valve engine will also take a lot of money from you, but at the same time you can easily drive over 450 thousand kilometers on it. It is only important to take care of it, listen to the advice of experts at the service station, change the components on time and not give too high a load.

Disadvantages of K4M:

• skip when using low quality fuel;
• insufficient dynamics;
• expensive spare parts;
• high prices for service in service centers.

If we compare two engines, then, undoubtedly, the K4M is more profitable, since it does not require frequent valve adjustment. Its disadvantages are not as significant as those of the eight-valve K7M.

Which unit is better to choose

If you want to buy a Largus, then you should buy a luxury package or a seven-door model, since in this case you will have a more reliable and modern engine model with sixteen valves under the hood. This is a more practical option, suitable both for driving in metropolitan areas with a lot of traffic jams and for driving on the highway.

These K4M engines are produced in Russia (marking P) and in Spain (marked with the letter D in the serial number). Despite the large number of jokes about the domestic auto industry, the build quality of the Russian unit is in no way inferior to the Spanish one. Changes in the operation of the production line led to the fact that the motors released from the domestic conveyor are absolutely suitable for world standards. This was also noted by François Goujon, who is the head of the Power Units company.

Largus with a sixteen-valve engine has successfully overcome test drives. The only nuance was the use of the car in the summer, when the engine can withstand the load from the switched on air conditioner. At low revs, the car goes with some effort, while when accelerating over 90 kilometers per hour, this disadvantage ceases to be felt.